I agree that they will never be mainstream, but for the computer studs out there ... this is THE mac daddy system. You don't need any home automation to use it, you can run just the standalone mcs sprinklers. I've been working as a beta tester for the mcs sprinklers developer ... and this guy is very responsive to fixing things and making enhancements. What he has done is simply amazing. I have been using mcs sprinklers and (3) rain8net controllers on my home (DIY) sprinkler system ... and I can...